“Without an absolute reference point for "good" (which only God can provide), no one can identify what is good or evil.”

This is not true, “good” has existed long before man created “God”. It is known as “The Golden Rule”.

“God is a gentleman.”

Who has killed millions, nice gentleman!

We were put on this earth to worship God. But after the sin in the Garden Of Eden. The world became messed up. .

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By saying that "man created “God”", you are saying that God does not exist, and that He is just a creation of man's imagination. God exists whether you believe in Him or not. For you to say that God does not exist means that you know everything there is to know in the Universe, an impossibility.

For example, suppose I said that there is no silver in South America. For me to be correct, I would have to know everything there is to know about South America(SA). I have to know what is inside every cave and every mountain side. I would need to know what is in the cabinets of every kitchen in every home in every city in every nation in SA. I have to know everything about everything about SA in order for me to say truthfully that there is no silver in SA.

In order for you to say God does not exist, you have to know everything about everything about the Universe, which is impossible. Even if you knew an amazing 1% of all the knowledge in the Universe, there may still be proof in the remaining 99% that God does exist.

Nick

The Golden Rule is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." By holding up the Golden Rule as "good," you are saying that we humans can live "good" lives if we live by the Golden Rule.

However, if we have ever lied, stolen, hated, or looked with lust at another person, then we have not loved those to whom we have lied to, stolen from, hated or looked with lust at. This means that you have violated the Golden Rule, which is one of God's commandments. Jesus said in John 3:36 that "...he that obeys not the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." Time does not erase sin. If you have ever even once violated the Golden Rule, you are guilty even now.

God is a holy God. If you were to die and face God right now, would He allow you into Heaven?

As to God killing millions of people...God has proclaimed the death sentence upon the whole of humanity. We will all die because we have broken God’s Law. Every one of us is waiting on death row. Instead of standing in moral judgment over Almighty God, we need to judge ourselves according to the Law of God. We will find that we have a multitude of sins and therefore are deserving of punishment. How about you...Chocomel? What will happen to you when you stand before God's Throne on the Day of Judgement?

Nick

“By saying that "man created “God”", you are saying that God does not exist…”

No, actually what I’m saying is “God”, the Biblical God, the “God” I’m assuming you are referring to was created by man. That “God” is how your “God” was perceived by those ancient peoples. The Bible is just Folklore and views of ancient ways of life.

“…the Golden Rule, which is one of God's commandments.”

But the Golden Rule pre-dates your Bible. The Christians must have stolen the idea because it’s a good one. The Golden Rule (in some form) is in many religions (again some pre-dating Christianity), as well as humanism and atheism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_Reciprocity

As for your “God is a gentleman”
God is neither gentle - hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes and every other “act of God”, nor a man. And furthermore, to tie in with the “gentle” part, your Bible has “God” killing millions of people, many times for utterly ridiculous reasons.

“As to God killing millions of people...God has proclaimed the death sentence upon the whole of humanity. We will all die because we have broken God’s Law. Every one of us is waiting on death row. Instead of standing in moral judgment over Almighty God, we need to judge ourselves according to the Law of God.”

Ridiculous, I can almost see believing this IF I had asked to be born and was read the rules beforehand!

As for your preaching to me, you are basing it all on a book that was created by Christians (man), not by “God”.

You say that the Golden Rule pre-dates the Bible. But if God created the Universe, then He is the originator of the Golden Rule. By saying that the Golden Rule pre-dates the Bible and Christianity, you imply that God did not create the world, and if God did not create the world, He is a liar because He claims to be the Creator. And God is not God if He is a liar. Therefore, either God is wrong or you are a wrong. If God is wrong, then you have nothing to worry about, because He is non-existent. But if you are wrong, you have much to worry about. And you could be wrong.

BTW, you are correct that men wrote the Bible. When you write a letter, do you write the letter, or does the pen write the letter? Obviously you do, the pen is just the instrument you use.

God used men as instruments to write His "letter" to humanity. They ranged from kings to common fishermen, bu the 66 books of the Bible were all given by inspiration of God. Proof that the Bible is supernatural can be seen with a quick study of its prophecies. You owe it to yourself to inspect the evidence before you make a verdict.

Finally, you say:
"As for your preaching to me, you are basing it all on a book that was created by Christians (man), not by “God”.

I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have put God's Promises to the test, and found them to hold true. You have not done so, and you cannot argue with my personal experience.

I am knew to this sight,and I was searching through the forums when I came across some of your thoughts on the origin of sin.
I'm not afraid to say that God created evil in some fashion.He did however create free will.Through free will we have choices,and whether right or wrong,they are our choices.In order to be just,God had to give man the free will to make choices,just as a father to a son.A father can steer his son in the right direction, but he must allow his son to make choices for good or for bad,otherwise he is raising a robot.
In the begining God told Adam and Eve that they were welcome to any tree in the Garden of Eden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.God gave them the choice.
When I was a child I went into a local store and stole a few things.On my way out,I was caught and was held accountable for my actions.Though the oppurtunity was provided,the store was not responsible for my poor choices.There were signs posted saying that stealing is a crime and that they would prosecute offenders.I knew better!

If there is no God,why should I be held responsible for anything I do,for who can tell me what is right from wrong?We would be no better than animals,going about our lives in vain.

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