“i dont think "wishful thinking" can be caught on radar, sonar, or video tape.”

Something is caught on radar, sonar and video, but it is wishful thinking that they are actually pterosaur-like creatures. I’ll agree that there needs to be more research, but in the meantime…

“What do you think they are?”

I don’t know, perhaps giant fish? Besides that I can’t understand a **** thing the narrators were saying!
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2004/Sep/106036.htm
http://www.edu.cn/20050617/3141158.shtml
It’s funny how so many unidentified large objects (swimming or not) in lakes are called monsters. Maybe they should be called U. W. O’s - Unidentified Water-bound Objects.

”By the way, Blondie's my aunt's aunt. Not a big fan of her music though.”

Debbie Harry is your aunt’s aunt? How cool is that! I not a big fan but they did have some good tunes. Can you get me her autograph?

I can't believe they censored out ****! Could be darn, but rhymes with ram, just can't believe it!

"Besides that I can’t understand a **** thing the narrators were saying!"
lol neither can I, but it was an interesting video clip. And the website censored that? I didn't know it could do that.
What's pretty interesting though is what's in the second link you gave me: "For those bulls, horses and sheep disappeared along the lake, were they really swallowed up by the "monsters"?"
A freshwater fish snatching a bull at the water's edge? It would have to be the size of a whale!

"It’s funny how so many unidentified large objects (swimming or not) in lakes are called monsters. Maybe they should be called U. W. O’s - Unidentified Water-bound Objects."
I agree. It's fear of the unknown that makes people name these things "monsters". Now obviously it's not a definite fact that things like Nessie are plesiosaurs or prehistoric cetaceans, but even if they are, theyre just animals. Fish-eating animals at that. The Great White Shark is fearsome and kills people (accidentily though, most of the time mistaking us for seals). Why don't we call them "monsters" instead of fish? I'd feel safer in the water with whatever Nessie is rather than a great white.

"Debbie Harry is your aunt’s aunt? How cool is that! I not a big fan but they did have some good tunes. Can you get me her autograph?"
I'm not up on my family's geneology, but according to my dad, she is. I don't really even know her that much though. Plus even if I did get in contact with her, she's always travelling. If I could, I'd fax you an autograph lol.

"I don’t know, perhaps giant fish? Besides that I can’t understand a **** thing the narrators were saying!"
lol neither could I, but the video clip was interesting. And the website censored that? I didnt know it could. What's interesting is in the second link you gave me, about the animals disappearing. It would have to be the size of a whale to eat a bull!

"It’s funny how so many unidentified large objects (swimming or not) in lakes are called monsters. Maybe they should be called U. W. O’s - Unidentified Water-bound Objects."
I agree. It's fear of the unknown that makes people call them "monsters". For example, it's not a definite fact that Nessie is a plesiosaur or a prehistoric cetacean, but even if it is, it's just an animal. A fish-eating animal at that. There's nothing to be afraid of.

"Debbie Harry is your aunt’s aunt? How cool is that! I not a big fan but they did have some good tunes. Can you get me her autograph?"
I'm not really knowledgeable on my geneology other than immediate family members, but according to my dad, she is. I don't really know her that much though. And even if I did keep in touch with her, she's always travelling. If I could, I'd fax you her autograph lol.

Tom said: >what we need is the government funding to search these areas more in-depth to find out what they really are. We havent explored and discovered everything on this planet.

There is considerably more science that has a greater factual basis and a higher probability to render positive results that is waiting for government funding. Until I see a corpse washed up on shore, or a plesiosaur caught on a fishing boat, I have no desire to waste my money on paid excursions for cryptozoologists. Results first, then funding. This has been the model for decades now.

And that's why it's been going on for decades. Because the chances of us finding anything out of dumb luck without proper funding is really small. Ogopogo's been ripping fish nets and eating fisher's catches before they can drag them in. That should be enough for the department of wildlife,fish&game to investigate whats causing it, even though the answer's obvious. And when theyre surprised at what they find (hopefully not killing it in the process), hopefully they report what they find and scientists will get funding to search for Champ and Nessie. I just hope some hillbilly hunter doesnt try killing any of them after theyre identified as some rare animal (in my opinion, a plesiosaur). And I'd rather be paying my tax dollars to biological research than road construction, which just causes more traffic, aggravation, and pollution that will inevitably bring this world to a crashing end. Or funding to this pointless war of ours, which should be called a slaughter of our forces instead.

Tom,
What exactly is the answer? When you say “even though the answer's obvious” it still sounds like wishful thinking to me. You believe it’s a plesiosaur…you want it to be a plesiosaur…therefore it is a plesiosaur. Specifically on Ogopogo; http://www.csicop.org/si/2006-01/ogopogo.html
I think roads (roads do not cause pollution, and if they do cause aggravation then the tax dollars might fix the aggravating road) are far more important than chasing a mythical creature. However I do agree with you about the “pointless war”.

"What exactly is the answer? When you say “even though the answer's obvious” it still sounds like wishful thinking to me. You believe it’s a plesiosaur…you want it to be a plesiosaur…therefore it is a plesiosaur. Specifically on Ogopogo;"
Well that's what I believe most of these lake monsters are. Theyre reported for the most part as being huge, long-necked, reptilian animals with flippers. What other known animal besides a plesiosaur can be described like this?

"I think roads (roads do not cause pollution, and if they do cause aggravation then the tax dollars might fix the aggravating road) are far more important than chasing a mythical creature."
I'm not talking about the roads. I'm talking about the thousands of cars sitting idly in traffic because of road construction. And when I say "biological research", i don't just mean investigating these creatures. That's one of the topics. The others could be more in-depth research about cures for cancer and other life-threatening illnesses, making more fuel-efficient machines and automobiles that are more environmentaly friendly (yes i know we're already doing that), ecological research and environmental preservation, etc.

the dragon is called Wilma and she aint a very happy dragon...or perhaps its name was Puff...oh yeah it WAS puff. Yeah me and him used to hang and relax and stuff. Maybe this Mbembe character/reptile is just a rhyme character trying to chill...jeez i bet he reads these forums from his African river bank cave and ****** himself!

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