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Re: Carcharodon Megalodon

So, Tom, you're saying that there is no fishing at night?

Sorry, but you are demonstrably wrong. People can and do fish at night, and at depths that would be capable of easily catching a shark that hunts at less than 100' depth.

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Okay well you stick to the book with the 5% of the ocean we know and ill think on a broader spectrum. We keep finding new marine species. Scientists estimate that there are more species down there yet to be discovered than all of the animals we know exist. Sorry that I think a prehistoric shark might still exist. How ridiculous of me.

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“True…I will in a few days when I have the time.”

Just curious, did you ever contact him? Or are you pretty much set in your belief?
Here it is again, so you won’t even have to scroll! bspeersr@uoguelph.ca

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no, i havent yet. Ive been busy moving and transferring jobwise. when i settle in ill do the email.

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But Tom, we're not talking about the abyssal depths. We're talking about 100' of water. We've got divers, lure fishers, net fishers, etc. And you're not talking about a species of coral or a small darter fish. You're talking about a ginormous predator that would have to eat huge amounts of food.

C'mon. You think that there is some tiny chance they might exist. Fine, I'll concede that. There's a tiny chance that Neanderthals still exist, too. But that's not how you come off; you argue that there is a significant probability that it exists. Why? You're only evidence is that we haven't kicked over every underwater stone, and that you think they're really cool.

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"But Tom, we're not talking about the abyssal depths. We're talking about 100' of water."
Well yeah...10,000 years ago. It couldve just passed through the area at the time. It doesnt mean we'd see one now at that depth. Plenty of catastrophic events happened that couldve drove the species to deeper parts (k-t event, Ice Age, that meteor strike over canada that supposedly wiped out the mammoths, the volcanic super-eruption that occured in the Phillipines.).

"C'mon. You think that there is some tiny chance they might exist. Fine, I'll concede that. There's a tiny chance that Neanderthals still exist, too."
Well we're more certain that the Neanderthal doesnt exist anymore, since almost every part of land on the globe is inhabited by people. Most likely we wouldve seen one by now. However, like I said, only 5% of the ocean depths has been explored.

"You're only evidence is that we haven't kicked over every underwater stone, and that you think they're really cool."
I'll give you that. I think theyre fascinating animals. The grandaddies of natures most efficient, adaptive killing machine. But that's exactly the point: adaptive. Why did it go extinct? Because it couldnt get to whales? It most certainly couldve found other food sources. Because it was too cold? they couldve traveled to the warmer, southern hemisphere, or went deep. They werent confined to the ground like other animals that got wiped out. Something just doesnt add up.

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Oh and I emailed that guy a few days ago. he hasnt replied.

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Tom said: >Well yeah...10,000 years ago. It couldve just passed through the area at the time. It doesnt mean we'd see one now at that depth. Plenty of catastrophic events happened that couldve drove the species to deeper parts (k-t event, Ice Age, that meteor strike over canada that supposedly wiped out the mammoths, the volcanic super-eruption that occured in the Phillipines.).

There has not been an ice age, k-t event, major meteor strike, super-eruptions, or other global catastrophes in the past 10,000 years. We have human proto-civilizations that date back further than that in Mesopotamia. I'll say it again; if the teeth you claimed were 10,000 years old were indicative of megalodon activity, then we should still see them today. We don't.

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"There has not been an ice age, k-t event, major meteor strike, super-eruptions, or other global catastrophes in the past 10,000 years."
I'm aware of that. The teeth possibly being 10,000 years old shows they possibly survived these events that happened LATER THAN 10,000 years ago.

"I'll say it again; if the teeth you claimed were 10,000 years old were indicative of megalodon activity, then we should still see them today. We don't."
And I'll say it again: the teeth were dropped there 10,000 years ago. Thats a long time, which means they still wouldnt be in that exact same spot. It takes alot to wipe out a specie of shark, considering theyre highly adaptive predators that are impervious to ocean depths and pressures. Like I said in the plesiosaur debate, we only started filming giant squid a few years ago, and yet we thought before that they were a myth. Like you stated, "never say never". I'd see why no one would get funding to investigate the possible existence of these animals though. Just think how boardwalks, fishing boat rentals, beach house rentals, etc. would economically crash if word got out that 60+ft versions of great white sharks actually existed...

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Hi Tom,

I'm a Marine Biologist and would like to say that I agree with you. I argue with people most days about these creatures and their modern existence but not only want to believe that they exist but also do believe it.

There are so many animals that we haven't found yet, the majority of which are in the sea. Commercial fishermen catch unknown species everyday but throw them back if they are not in essential in the catch that they are paid for. I'm obviously not saying that the Megalogon is in one of these catches, but it just shows that there are thousands of species out there that aren't known to us. Even the tsunami's brought up hundreds of 'wierd' fish that we didn't know existed because the wave originated from the sea bed and brought up with it lots of fish that we hadn't researched yet.

But the majority of people are disagreeing with you so I just thought that some support might help. I realise that posts haven't been 'posted' for a year or so but hopefully you're still checking this site and I'd love to e-mail about the research you've done. I'm relatively new to the researching of sharks as I specialise in whales and dolphins so I'm sure you'll be able to tell me a thing or two!

I look forward to hearing from you.

How you found this site: Yahoo search for "Rachel Cohen Megalodon"

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Hello all... found this on another website. Just wondered what you all thought about it??

Giant Shark - Megladon in the Indian Ocean?
Giant Shark 75-85 foot long - Megladon is a live and well in the Indian Ocean
This sighting is by a serving US sailor therefore we have removed all identifying references, at his request. Let me introduce myself my name is XXXXXXXX I'm a Petty Officer in the US Navy based in XXXXXXX. I have been in the service now for 15 years out of those 15 years 12 have been on active sea commands. I have been on 4 ships with a total out to sea time of 9 years (That's underway steaming).

I recently saw an episode of your series and browsed your web page. And thought I might share a story with you that happened in 99 when I was stationed on the USS XXXXX. You will have to forgive me if I leave out the exact Latitude and Longitude and only give a general location since some of this is still sensitive. I was assigned to the VBSS (visit board search and seizure) Team on the XXXXX, our job was to board all ships suspected of smuggling oil out of Iraq during the UN embargo while Saddam was still in power. We had boarded an Indian Registered vessel transiting out bound from the straits of Hormuz and were escorting the vessel back to Goa to turn it over to the Indian Navy. We were pulling 12 hour security shifts onboard (To prevent them from scuttling the vessel). I can't give the exact date but it occurred in Jan 00.

We were pulling shift it was around 1030 AM. There were 6 of us on security shift and three of us were on the focastle of the ship when we heard this loud splashing sound not just a small splash but a long drawn out one like something thrashing around. We looked over the railing of the ship to see the Large Pod of dolphins that had been following us for days going crazy!! Jumping out of the water and flying across the water madly. We were amused at first thinking they were in a feeding frenzy when the largest dorsal fin I have ever seen broke the water and was chasing after the dolphins.

At first I thought maybe it was a whale due to its huge bulk we could see the back of this thing and some of its body. The fin it's self was over 10 Ft tall. Well the whale theory went out the window when I saw the head of this thing. I grew up in the Florida Keys I have seen Tiger Sharks, Bull Sharks, Lemons, Dusky's, And so on. This was a shark plain and simple!!! The head of this shark resembled that of a Tiger Shark the nose was blunted like a Tigers but not as flat and rounded almost to the tip. This shark's head came out of the water and came down and we watched this thing munching on a dolphin as it turned back to the pod.

Our RHIB (Ridged hull inflatable boat) came around from the fantail of the ship to see what was going on and hit the wake of this thing and actually caught air and came down. We were yelling at them that it was a shark and we were telling them to fall back to the ship. But of course they didn't do it. And went over to the where the pod used to be where they could see the out line of the shark. When they got close the shark turned creating a wake that almost swamped the boat and the shark turned and went right under the boat. The Boat engineer was so scared he actually fired three rounds at the shark from his Rifle (M14) Hoping it would scare away the shark and it just went right by them towards us and went down. We never saw it again. It was the wildest thing I have ever seen out to sea. I've seen some big sharks before. Whale sharks 40 Ft + Tigers 15+ but this was the largest I have ever seen.

It was 75+ if it was an inch!!!

Once we reported it and got back to the ship the Officer of the Deck told us it was just a whale that's all. A whale eating a dolphin with a large dorsal fin and a shark shaped head huh??? One of my team mates was a sonar tech by trade so he went to sonar control and pulled the readings up. They had tracked it coming up from 250 Fathoms since that's what they had the computers set on after they tracked it they adjusted the settings and lost it at 1040 Fathoms.

The computer read it at 87 Ft long. Now you tell me what that was?? I would never send this to anyone had I been by myself but there was witnesses and records showing this. Thank you for listening to me. If you could please not use my name or location to anyone when reference this I don't think the Navy would like that to much.

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I was Wondering Tom where would you think are possible sites where Carcharodon Megalodon might be still living? And Why?

How you found this site: LivingDinos.com

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How Long Did The Animal stay there?

How you found this site: LivingDinos.com

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When I first posted this, I thought Megalodons may be living in deeper waters, like in the Pacific. Now I've been doing further research, and as much as I'd like them to exist, I no longer believe they do. For one reason. During the time megalodons apparently went extinct, a polar magnetic reversal took place on this planet. That temporarily distorts magnetic fields on this planet. I believe that a fish that relied so much on familiar magnetic waves the planet gave off was stressed out to extinction by the sudden change. And that wasn't the only animal that went extinct: about 75% of the planets species at the time went extinct too.

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I've Heard that the great white and the mako shark are close relatives, if they survived the polar change why not the megalodon?

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I haven't been reading this post for awhile. I just read Diane's post and Steve's. Diane, I would love to discuss the subject with you. Steve, is that all the information you can give me? That must've been a sight to see though. And yes, makos and great whites are related to that specie, but I don't believe they were around during that time. I may be mistaken though.

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That was everything i could get from the web site. Here's the link. http://animalxtv.blogspot.com/..

would be interesting to know more (if it is true mind..) about this encounter!