u hit nail on the head josh. 5min in pen 10 on outside

If your hound is fast enough he will get seen enough if it's 5 or 10 know what you got before you go to a hunt

"BB"...read the National or Masters Rules, & learn the rules FIRST, before blasting everyone about how they score hunts! Oh, I forgot...everybody gets a trophy now!:grinning:

And if you need a judge or the scores a dog posts to tell what you got, then you need to really look changing program as to how YOU judge YOUR OWN dogs!

Field trialing historically was BUILT on the premise of "3 DAY HGA HUNTS", & is still the standard today by which "CHAMPION" hounds are determined!

"BB", you may not like it, but it was around long before you & me, & will be around after we are gone!

Pleasure hunting dogs is a whole different game!

Allan Bishop
(Jabber Jaw)