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Can a hound be scored twice by two different judges on the same crossing if the judges are standing together
No, that would turn a 35 point first place crossing to 70 points. If they are judging like that I feel those scores should be thrown out. The judges should know better and the master of hounds or person adding scores should catch it. I know at our club we have all judges initial their score sheets, that way if a question comes up you know who to ask.
The way i see it if both judges are at same crossing and both scored the crossing only one should turn a score card in for that crossing. Because there not usually two judges at every crossing, therefore it makes it unfair. But of course that's just my opinion.
Jus asking Jimmy cause I seen 1st place crossings for the same dog on 2 different sheets for the same time
If that were the case only one score would be counted, however if 1 crossing is near the next crossing through the woods neither judge knows who or when the other judge scored it. What time does your watch say? mine may be a minute fast or slow? Did you look at your watch when you saw the deer cross and write that time down then score the dogs a minute later? did you wait till the dogs cross, score them and then write down a time? Did you forget to write the down time at the moment and just try to get the dogs scored then worry about the time? Did it take less than a minute from one crossing to another (good possibility) one side of a creek or swamp to another, one path to another? just my 2 cents, think on that a while.
Understand that also just curious
If running by National Rules, only one would count as a hound can only be scored every 10 minutes. Even if there was a mistake in order submitted by one of the judges, the hound would only be awarded the highest placing in that 10 minute span. A lot of speed and drive hunts allow scoring every time they are seen, specially puppy hunts. If this is so, they would have to be given every score they were seen. I would think the judges would be experienced enough and honest enough to know that both wouldn't turn in the same crossing while standing together. The scenario you are speaking could happen with first time or inexperience judges who didn't know any better and was only told to score every crossing.
As Wayne Proffit said, if run under National's Rules, the SCORING of hounds is covered under the RULES! The same would apply if run under the Master's Rules.
If all these one-day hunts, puppy hunts, hunt club fund raisers, etc, were RUN utilizing either National's or Master's rules, there would be a lot less confusion on scoring, and calculating the winner's and those that place!
Unfortunately a lot of these hunts are using or making up their own rules, and not everyone in attendance knows what they are. Therefore, confusion, hard feelings, and accusations are made about the results, or the judging.
If judged & run properly using either set of rules, there would be a lot fewer problems, and happier folks in attendance!!
The "he said, she said" rules leave a lot of folks wondering!
Even with specific organizational rules, by which to conduct a hunt, it is often times a challenge to make sure the scores are correctly entered and the results are correct as well!
Putting together a field trial is a daunting task, and judging, can be a thankless task too!
Maybe more "thank you's" to folks for putting on a hunt, and to the judges as well, and a lot less whining and complaining, would be beneficial to all!
Allan Bishop
(Jabber Jaw)
If I understand the way I read the rules.
1. Judges riding together in pursuit of a chase should split up as soon as possible.
2. Times should be kept up with so a hound does not get duplicate scores for the same work.
I know we have gotten deep on this one question, but I feel we all agree 2 judges should not score the same crossing. This should not make any difference in wheather using National, Masters or whatever rules are being used or not.
my opinion..today..everyone wants a big scoreboard...at whatever cost.the national rules has a 10 minute time limit,others have 5,,,a lotta hunts today want every crossing to count...every crossing..even if judges are standing togather should count...I've never agreed with this...but it is what it is,without a time limit,I've stood at a crossroads an scored a hound three first place crossings in under a minute,by national rules,only one crossing would have counted....today if different,everyone wants a high scoring hound
There are cases where father and son, boyfriend and girlfriend, one experienced and one non experienced judge are together. IMO this is fine and can actually help if the experienced calls out numbers and the other rights them down. Pen owners like to see high scores but nobody likes to see their hound put up dots when they could have been in the top ten at multiple crossing but the judge couldn't log the numbers fast enough by himself. The more dogs that get scored the more accurate the scoring will be for places 5th through 20th. Any judge can catch the first 2 or 3 dogs.
If the score sheets were posted,it should have been checked with the two judges and everything should have been good to go.
One thing to remember is that when a hunting club puts on a hunt not all judges are dog men or experienced and they do the best they can.
If they are running a masters or national computer scoring program, then the computer will automatically keep the highest score in the 5 or 10 minute time intervals and throw out the other ones.