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Unfortunately Chris the above is what a lot of people understand about scores when they are posted and how they were ac***ulated and how they were calculated. The pain staking days of hand breaking times and tallying of scores is gone and it was really an art that only a few actually knew how to do.The computer does it all now and the true understanding is gone.
If you put the above in front of someone and tell them thats why their dog got scratched or scored what it got, does that really help?
Now for the ones that can sit down and break times by hand and have judged hunts enough to see that dogs act different when they are around LARGE crowds compared to how they act around the Saturday morning crowd of 20. Well these people probably don't need it printed out and explained to them.
Now I am mastering a hunt at Caskey's training preserve next weekend and certainly don't mind someone looking at all aspects of what I do for two days during this hunt(tremendous amount of work) and feel sure my fellow judges won't either but I'll be ****ed if I am going to listen to any complaining from someone unless they can walk in that room and do it all by hand like I can and explain how it ALL works.If they can, I bet they won't complain. I respect the likes of the Clyde Suttons, Bill McGees,Jeff Brincheks, and Lonnie Wards(and the many others that GIVE us their time to judge). Did I like when they told me on paper that my dog sucked that day,NO, but I respected it and didn't need an explanation.I went and watched the dog that much harder and 99.9% of the time, didn't own it much longer.

If I tell you that your dog scored 1000pts and was scored by every judge in the pen, does that mean it was in a pack of 50 dogs stringing them or does that mean it was in a bunch of 2 dog races. If it was only scored by 8 of the 30 judges does that mean they cheated or does that mean it was in a 3 dog race that was on a piece of game that never left one area of the pen.We look as masters to see if these other dogs are scored with this dog consistently. I could go on for days but until you get in there and do it a lot and see all the different scenarios it is IMPOSSIBLE to print out a piece of paper at the end of a day and truly UNDERSTAND what went on in that day of running.Actually kind of hilarious to think you can. So my question is what purpose does it actually serve to post these added pieces of the puzzle?

Boys and girls, get out and judge, give back and quit just showing up and complaining how long it takes to get the scores out. I promise you there is more to it than most think.

Most importantly just keep going and enjoy what we are blessed to get to do. For some it is a true way of life and not just something that is here today and gone tomorrow. Hope to see all at a hunt soon.

I had to drink 2 cups coffee to read that post of Mr.Haas.LOL. But I do agree with it.Asking a man to judge a foxhound is the hardest thing in the world to do without being judged for it. You choose a judge before the hunt. Not after the hunt results.My opinion is we got the hound blood of today handed down to us by smart hunters judging good champions.

The main question is would it help or hurt? I don't mind any one seeing my scores. It's also nice to see if the hound kicking my butt was 1 in every crossing or in pack position.
Travis you said the the key point a handler that takes his time gets his dog ready and knows how to show him if he is a good hound he can and will place high where ever he is shown. Now if that same dog only was shown under one judge and won 5 or 6 times and could not get on the bench at another hunt that's when you have trouble.

I think we should post all scores. I also think we should fall in line with other sports such as Football. If you question a refs call in football and you are wrong and the call is not overturned they lose a time out which we all know is very valuable. So lets go with this. If you question a call in Foxhunting and there is not evidence to overturn the call, well then you must judge at least 1-3 day field trial before you are allowed to compete in another field trial of any kind or none of your winnings will be recognized until you have done so.
Man up and take the chance if you truly believe you have been done wrong, be willing to accept the consequences if you are wrong.

Don\'t make any difference to me whether they post the scores or not. Only way you can deal with people that whine all the time about somebody cheating is don\'t pay them any attention. If they have hard evidence then yes but every time I ever heard of anybody cheating is just something somebody dreamed up or thought. This is just me but if I go to a hunt in a pen I\'m going to try to win the speed and drive. If I wanted to out \"hunt\" somebody I wouldn\'t take my dog to a pen loaded down with game so if some judge wants to give somebody\'s dog ten hunting scores I couldn\'t care any less. I enjoy going to hunts big or small and have a good time whether I\'m getting spanked or on the occasion I get a little trophy. I do like it when they put out sheet of top dogs after each day and top 100 or so.

I judge several 3 day hunts a year I personally do not see any problem with posting scores I also don't see this cheating every one that does not judge talks about. A good MFH will see anything that does not look right. Maybe it would be a good idea for the ones that think all this cheating is going on to come judge sometimes rather than run and complain. JMO

THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT IS WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND SEE THAT I'VE NOT SCORED A HOUND IN THE TOP 10. MAN THAT MAKES ME MAD!

Just got back online from the beat down my pups took this past weekend....

I left little meat off the bone on my original post!

Posting scores wont sway me either way if I go or don't go.....I am fine with doing it and stand behind my original post why not post them??? I plan on going to all American next year - they aren't going to post them and that fine - I am good with the leadership at the top of that hunt and I am going to support them.

Murray - Post
I am fine with cameras and fine with testing
- currently there is not rules in place for drug testing so this is mute there is nothing legal or illegal
(basically all hunters can do what ever it wont make difference, good is good...give all you want to sorry hound he or she still aint placing when competing with top shelf hunters and hounds)
- Sportsmanship I have to agree with this, I always like to shake the winners hand, win loose or draw, when I won and people congratulated me it felt good, and I like to do it to winners - for the most part the higher percentage of hunters are good sports I believe it to be smaller percent of cry baby's.....

- Murray when they come up with testing rules I am fine with it - never had problem following a rule.....

Be good - See you all SOON!!!

Lenny

Brian, that is part of the problem there are so many out there running that have never been a judge. If everyone would judge and see what a lot of these dogs are really doing in a 3-day hunt they would not bring them back and spend the money. Running the pen on Sat. night is not the same. Dogs need to be trained to do more running the game and not the road,but SPEED SPEED SPEED is all that maters anymore and to me that does not make a true Ch.that is just a Calcutta dog which is fine if that is all you are after. Sorry guys that is JMO come judge and you may think a little different.