man, thank you! I feel like an idiot! You would think all the time on the phone with garmin they would have said this or I would have found it...thank you!

That's exactly right Bert Hill. I went straight to it this morning. I knew someone would probably be able to tell him before I could check it and respond.

The people you are talking with for Garmin are only reading a trouble shooting guide for the most part.Most of the time when you call Garmin you (the end user) know more about the system than the person you are talking with. They will give you a step by step process and if that dosen't fix it you will have to send it in. The people that know the systems are the hunters and the ones that do the software upgrades or the ones that designed it. I don't even bother to call for their help anymore.

Glad I could help.